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<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><div style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">No, no ci siamo capiti benissimo e condivido tutte le tue osservazioni. Aggiungo che mi ha lasciato perplesso il Sud Africa: riprenderà la condizione in tempo e soprattutto qualche idea in più? Infine l'Argentina. Per me non è una sorpresa, ma certamente non credo possa entrare tra i finalisti. Comunque, buona fortuna!😊 </div></div><div dir="ltr"><hr><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Da: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:lucaoliver63@gmail.com">Luca Oliva</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Inviato: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">10/08/2015 09:51</span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">A: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Oggetto: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Re: [RUGBYLIST] R: R: CHI VINCE E CHI PASSA</span><br><br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mi aspettavo questa osservazione ... :)<br>
<br>
Sì hai ragione, ma solo in parte ...<br>
<br>
In realtà, non credo che la Nzl abbia perso di credibilità,
quantomeno non
quanto il Sudafrica ...<br>
<br>
Comunque, come vedi di sotto, non ho escluso l'Australia nè dal
quarto di
finale contro il Sud Africa nè dalla semifinale con la Nuova
Zelanda !!! <br>
Una squadra che può annoverare tra i trequarti giocatori del
calibro di
Matt Giteau, Quade Cooper, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Drew Mitchell,
Israel Folau,
Kurtney Beale (senza dimenticare Will Genia se riuscirà a
recuperare un pò di
condizione fisica ...) e terze linee come David Pocock e
Michael Hooper ha davvero poco da temere a tutti i livelli.
Michael Cheika ha
davvero fatto un'operazione molto intelligente nel recuperare
tutti questi
europei e soprattutto nell'impostare un tipo di gioco dalla difesa
così
aggressiva, con una "spia" da mandare costantemente oltre la linea
del vantaggio (M. Hooper) e un bel pò di cani da guardia sui
breakdown (lo
stesso Hooper, Pocock). E' in questo modo che l'Australia ha
"soffocato" il gioco degli AB costringendoli a giocare in
arretramento anzichè in avanzamento. E' stato difficile per gli AB
sfuggire
alla quantità di "spie" avversarie mandate oltre la linea del
vantaggio. <br>
<br>
Di contrasto, la Nuova Zelanda ha mostrato di essere Ma'a
Nonu-dipendente molto
più di quanto non pensasse. Ci voleva proprio un ariete come lui
per sfondare
sul break down e portare la palla oltre il placcaggio. Che poi i
"vecchi" come McCaw, Carter o Conrad Smith non siano sembrati al
massimo e i "giovani" come Aaron Smith abbiano "toppato" la
partita (ma vogliamo parlare di TJ Perenara, che al primo pallone
toccato ha
commesso inavanti ... ???) può porre interrogativi, insinuare
dubbi, ma niente
di più di temi di cui parlare al tavolo del game planning.<br>
<br>
A meno che tu non intendessi rivalutare l'Argentina e porla come
prepotente
candidata per un posto in semifinale ... Freniamo .... :) Vediamo
un pò
cosa succederà nel test di ritorno di Mendoza, e poi ne riparliamo
... ;) <br>
<br>
Ciao.<br>
Luca<o:p></o:p></p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 09/08/2015 19:42, Piero Filotico ha
scritto:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Forse, dopo i
risultati di ieri si potrebbero rivedere le previsioni… </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Wingdings;">J</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Da:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rugbylist-bounces@rugbylist.it">rugbylist-bounces@rugbylist.it</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:rugbylist-bounces@rugbylist.it">mailto:rugbylist-bounces@rugbylist.it</a>] <b>Per conto di
</b>Luca Oliva<br>
<b>Inviato:</b> venerdì 7 agosto 2015 18:04<br>
<b>A:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a><br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [RUGBYLIST] R: CHI VINCE E CHI PASSA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Domani
Nzl-Aus, da guardare con grande interesse ... !!!<br>
<br>
Buon rugby a tutti !!! <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Il 04/08/2015 17:53, Luca Oliva ha
scritto:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">L'Inghilterra
dovrebbe avere un cammino abbastanza facile, a meno che non
arrivi seconda nel proprio girone dietro l'Australia: in tal
caso incontrerebbe il Sud Africa nei quarti di finale (!!!).<br>
Le combinazioni sono fatte in modo che l'emisfero sud si
confronti nella parte alta del tabellone, in particolare Saf
e Aus dovrebbero scontrarsi nel quarto di finale alto, All
Blacks dovrebbero trovare Francia o Irlanda nel secondo
quarto.<br>
Nel terzo quarto quasi sicuramente Argentina e poi la
seconda tra Irlanda e Francia (eventualmente, Italia !!!).<br>
Nell'ultimo quarto Inghilterra contro Scozia o Samoa.<br>
Così fatte le combinazioni dei quarti, in semifinale
dovrebbero arrivare Saf/Aus vs Nzl in alto: dal mini-torneo
Sanzar uscirà la prima finalista.<br>
Sotto ci sono le europee con l'Argentina: ovvio che la
favorita, per ragioni tecniche e di ospitalità, è sen'altro
l'Inghilterra, ma invito a non sottovalutare, fra tutte,
l'Irlanda.<br>
<br>
Riassumendo:<br>
1 quarto: Saf vs Aus/Ing<br>
2 quarto: Nzl vs Fra/Irl<br>
3 quarto: Irl/Fra vs Arg<br>
4 quarto: Ing/Aus vs Sco/Sam<br>
<br>
1 semif: Saf/Aus vs Nzl<br>
2 semif: Irl vs Ing<br>
<br>
Finale: Nzl-Ing<br>
<br>
Ciao.<br>
Luca <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Il 04/08/2015 17:18, Gian Domenico
Mazzocato ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Belle
prese di posizione.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Se
volete allarghiamo il primo quesito.<br>
Che finale sarà?</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Io
penso Inghilterra-SA.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">E poi
sarà quello che il dio della palla ovale vorrà</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Un
abbraccio gian do mazzocato</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">vieni
a trovarmi nel mio sito<br>
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i miei libri, le conferenze, <br>
i miei diari di viaggio,<br>
gli appuntamenti e tanto altro</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">scrivimi
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Da:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:rugbylist-bounces@rugbylist.it" moz-do-not-send="true">rugbylist-bounces@rugbylist.it</a>
[<a href="mailto:rugbylist-bounces@rugbylist.it" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:rugbylist-bounces@rugbylist.it</a>]
<b>Per conto di </b>Luca Oliva<br>
<b>Inviato:</b> martedì 4 agosto 2015 16:48<br>
<b>A:</b> <a href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" moz-do-not-send="true">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a><br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [RUGBYLIST] CHI VINCE E CHI
PASSA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Per il
primo quesito, personalmente propendo per gli All Blacks.<br>
Profondità di scelte in ogni ruolo, grande competenza di
base in ogni elemento, skills individuali ai massimi
livelli, capacità di lettura tecnica e tattica
inarrivabile.<br>
Una linea di trequarti da sogno con Aaron Smith e TJ
Perenara in mediana, Dan Carter e Beuden Barrett
all'apertura, Sonny Bill Williams, Ma'a Nonu e Conrad
Smith ai centri, Ben Smith e Israel Dagg a estremo,
Charles Piutau e Julian Savea alle ali, scusate ma non so,
chi altri può vantare una tale abbondanza di qualità e
scelte ? Esperienza e classe, gioventù e forza fisica,
tale da creare reale imbarazzo in chi dovrà fare le scelte
definitive.<br>
In terza linea c'è poco da dire con Ritchie Mc Caw, Kieran
Read e Liam Messam, con subito dietro Jerome Kaino e
Victor Vito.<br>
In seconda Brodie Retallick e a scelta Sam Whitelock o
Luke Romano.<br>
In prima gli immarcescibili Tony Woodcock, Owen Franks e
Kevin Mealamu con Nepo Laulala, Wyatt Crockett e giovani
come Codie Taylor o Dane Coles. <br>
Niente, secondo me gli All Blacks possono solo perdelro
questo mondiale, e sarebbero ora che lo vincessero
partendo da favoriti e giocando lontano dalla propria
terra.<br>
<br>
Per l'Italia è la classica "mission impossible": due
partite "impossibili" contro Francia e Irlanda, due sulla
carta abbordabili contro Canada e Romania.<br>
Francia-Canada e poi Irlanda-Romania.<br>
Se, e sottolineo se ..., dovessimo perdere con la Francia,
ma vincere "tranquilli" con Canada, rimarrebbe sempre alla
terza l'Irlanda e poi finale con Romania ...<br>
Andiamo a calare col torneo, questo purtroppo è un
classico ... Quindi tutte le chances andebbero giocate
all'inizio Francia-Canada, seconde scelte con Irlanda e
gran finale con Romania ...<br>
Oppure seconde scelte con Francia, warm-up con Canada e
grande botto con l'Irlanda ...<br>
Chiaramente è tutto sulla carta, i valori sono abbastanza
definiti, però chissà ... le vie di un mondiale non
saranno infinite, ma sono comunque piuttosto varie ... <br>
<br>
Ciao.<br>
Luca <br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Il 03/08/2015 18:40, Gian Domenico
Mazzocato ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Ieri
mi sono fatto una chiacchierata con Lucianone
nostro.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">E
mi è venuto in mente di porre due domande alla list.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">E
ovviamente di fornire una mia risposta.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">1)<span style='font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;'> </span></span><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">CHI VINCERÀ IL MUNDIAL?<br>
Per me il SA. Le gazzelle vinceranno il
mondiale. Nel 4N hanno già perso due su due. <br>
Ma perché non gliene frega un cz. <br>
A loro interessa solo mettere a punto per il mundial
l'arma totale (per loro, per la loro fisicità): la
supremazia sui punti di contatto. Inespugnabili
gestori dei palloni propri, geniali predatori dei
palloni altrui.<br>
Guadagnare terreno è solo il secondo obiettivo. Il
primo, impastato di cinismo, è mandare fuori giri
gli avversari. <br>
Usano il 4N per farlo e intanto si nascondono.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">2)<span style='font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;'> </span></span><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">L’ITALIA PASSERÀ IL TURNO?<br>
NO, anzi l’Italia scoprirà che il suo mundial
finisce prima di cominciare.</span></b> <br>
<b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">L’Italia si trova
nello stesso girone di Irlanda, Francia, Canada,
Romania. <br>
Ammesso che battiamo Canadesi e Rumeni (?), per
passare il turno dobbiamo battere anche Irlanda o
Francia. A scelta. <br>
Già messa così è dura. <br>
Ma se guardiamo il calendario, va anche molto
peggio. <br>
Noi esordiamo con la Francia il 19 settembre alle
ore 20 nella seconda partita del girone (stesso
giorno, ore 14 e 30, c’è Canada-Irlanda a Cardiff).
<br>
Scendiamo in campo a Twickenham -quartiere londinese
di Richmond upon Thames- lo stadio che sorge sul
terreno acquistato nel 1907 per 5572 sterline, 12
scellini e 6 pence da un contadino che vi coltivava
cavoli.) <br>
Già cavoli. Cavoli nostri e amarissimi. <br>
Significa semplicemente che, con ogni probabilità,
nella tarda serata del 19 settembre noi sapremo già
che il nostro mondiale, appena cominciato, è già
finito.<br>
Alla peggior Francia di sempre (mia memoria) è
bastato scendere in campo per battere l’Italia del
6Nazioni.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Ciao
a tutti gian domenico mazzocato</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">vieni
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i miei libri, le conferenze, <br>
i miei diari di viaggio,<br>
gli appuntamenti e tanto altro</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(15, 36, 62);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">scrivimi
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