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    Porca miseria, mi trovo perfettamente d'accordo con te ... <span
      class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
    Quali sono le tappe intermedie di questo percorso ?<br>
    A giudicare dai "risultati" (quelli del campo), nessuna, perchè i
    risultati sono gli stessi da almeno 10 anni a questa parte (scusate
    non vado più indietro, così a memoria) ... e cioè più o meno da
    quando è stata istituita l'Accademia Nazionale di Tirrenia ...<br>
    Però magari ci sono "altri" obbiettivi da verificare ...<br>
    <br>
    Ciao.<br>
    Luca <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 16/02/2015 17:17, Salvatore Messina
      ha scritto:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:1883588422.7947409.1424103439468.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com"
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        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9923">Dispiace leggere certe
            cose da tecnici e tecnici che lavorano a buon livello....
            D'altronde se da noi ci sono dei problemi di sviluppo un
            motivo ci sarà...</span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr"><span><br>
          </span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10224">Dire che i risultati
            si vedranno alla fine del ciclo è un po' come rispondere
            alla domanda "Quando Marco Polo arriverà in CIna?" con
            "Quando sarà arrivato!". E se invece arriva in Guatemala?
            Beh allora avrà sbagliato strada....</span></div>
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          </span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr">Lavorare per
          obiettivi significa innanzitutto avere degli obiettivi
          raggiungibili ma anche verificabili e questo significa che ci
          sono delle tappe da rispettare e delle valutazioni da fare
          durante il percorso e se queste tappe non sono state raggiunte
          si DEVE cambiare percorso se non addirittura l'obiettivo.</div>
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        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr">Che
          verifiche sono state fatte sul lavoro di formazione giovanile?
          Io non sono un addetto ai lavori ma se guardo ai risultati le
          tappe non sono state raggiunte e si doveva già cambiare
          percorso.</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9875"> </div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10847">
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10846">Salvatore Messina</div>
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        <br>
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              Messaggio inoltrato -----<br>
              <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10851" face="Arial"
                size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Da:</span></b>
                Luca Oliva <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lucaoliver63@gmail.com">&lt;lucaoliver63@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">A:</span></b>
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">"rugbylist@rugbylist.it"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">&lt;rugbylist@rugbylist.it&gt;</a>
                <br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Inviato:</span></b>
                Sabato 14 Febbraio 2015 12:53<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Oggetto:</span></b>
                Re: [RUGBYLIST] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: R:
                Re: R: I: R: I: R: I: I: I: SECONDO VOI<br>
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                <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10853"><span
                    style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">Nessuna ironia
                    nè senso di catastrofe ...</span>
                  <div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;"
                    id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10852">Non mi
                    interessa il confronto con i pari età inglesi
                    dell'under 20, mi sono dispiaciuti di più i 47 punti
                    presi con l'Irlanda ...</div>
                  <div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">Continuo
                    però a predicare umiltà, e una revisione del sistema
                    delle Accademie.</div>
                  <div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">Non può che
                    farci bene </div>
                </div>
                <div class="yiv3678568517gmail_extra"
                  id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10856"><br>
                  <div class="yiv3678568517gmail_quote"
                    id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10855">Il giorno 14
                    febbraio 2015 12:52, Luca Oliva <span dir="ltr"
                      id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10870">&lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
                        ymailto="mailto:lucaoliver63@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank"
                        href="mailto:lucaoliver63@gmail.com"
                        id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10869">lucaoliver63@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                    ha scritto:<br>
                    <blockquote class="yiv3678568517gmail_quote"
                      style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                      solid;padding-left:1ex;"
                      id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10858">
                      <div dir="ltr"
                        id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10857">Nessuna
                        ironia nè senso di catastrofe ...
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10859">Non
                          mi interessa il confronto con i pari età
                          inglesi dell'under 20, mi sono dispiaciuti di
                          più i 47 punti presi con l'Irlanda ...</div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10860">Continuo
                          però a predicare umiltà, e una revisione del
                          sistema delle Accademie.</div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10861">Non
                          può che farci bene </div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="yiv3678568517gmail_extra"
                        id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10862"><br>
                        <div class="yiv3678568517gmail_quote"
                          id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10863">Il
                          giorno 14 febbraio 2015 08:54, ilfalco7 <span
                            dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              rel="nofollow"
                              ymailto="mailto:ilfalco7@libero.it"
                              target="_blank"
                              href="mailto:ilfalco7@libero.it">ilfalco7@libero.it</a>&gt;</span>
                          ha scritto:<br>
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                            style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                            #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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                                  <div>Èh si è davvero dura. Campioni
                                    del mondo in carica.....ma questa
                                    nazionale è la meno forte degli
                                    ulrimi anni ed è anche l anno del
                                    mondiale in casa nostra</div>
                                  <span>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div
                                        style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Inviato
                                        da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div>-------- Messaggio originale
                                      --------</div>
                                    <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                  </span>
                                  <div>Data:13/02/2015 23:37 (GMT+01:00)
                                  </div>
                                  <div>A: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      rel="nofollow"
                                      ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Oggetto: Re: [RUGBYLIST] R: Re:
                                    R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: R: Re: R: I:
                                    R: I: R: I: I: I: SECONDO VOI </div>
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                                    <div>
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                                      Peccato, però questa è proprio la
                                      notizia che non avrei mai voluto
                                      leggere stasera ...<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://www.onrugby.it/2015/02/13/sei-nazioni-u20-plymouth-e-marea-inglese-italia-ko-61-0/">http://www.onrugby.it/2015/02/13/sei-nazioni-u20-plymouth-e-marea-inglese-italia-ko-61-0/</a><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div>Il 13/02/2015 17:57, Luca
                                        Oliva ha scritto:<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote type="cite"> Chapeau
                                        ... !!!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div>Il 13/02/2015 17:53,
                                          ilfalco7 ha scritto:<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote type="cite">
                                          <div>In questo paese l
                                            integrità o la verita dpende
                                            dall etica di una persona.
                                            Purtroppo non dal lavoro che
                                            fa</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div
                                              style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Inviato
                                              da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>-------- Messaggio
                                            originale --------</div>
                                          <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                          <div>Data:13/02/2015 17:47
                                            (GMT+01:00) </div>
                                          <div>A: <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              rel="nofollow"
                                              ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Oggetto: Re: [RUGBYLIST]
                                            R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: R:
                                            Re: R: I: R: I: R: I: I: I:
                                            SECONDO VOI </div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          Dai era una battuta ... Credo
                                          che se un sistema è buono, i
                                          risultati si vedono subito,
                                          poi ci vuole un ciclo o due
                                          per completarli e portarli a
                                          termine, come mi stai
                                          giustamente dicendo tu ...<br>
                                          Ci mancherebbe altro mettere
                                          in dubbio l'onestà di un
                                          dipendente della Polizia di
                                          Stato !!! :) <br>
                                          <br>
                                          Comunque se il discorso
                                          impostato sulle Accademie è
                                          corretto, qualche risultato si
                                          dovrebbe vedere da subito ...
                                          Stiamo a vedere ...<br>
                                          Io resto favorevole a un
                                          sistema diverso ma,
                                          giustamente, non sono io in
                                          sella ...<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Ciao !!!! <br>
                                          Luca <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>Il 13/02/2015 17:39,
                                            ilfalco7 ha scritto:<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <div>No? Epperchemai!! </div>
                                            <div>La prendo a ridere ma
                                              non è carino dire che non
                                              sono stato onesto.</div>
                                            <div>Allora da fuori dimmi
                                              tu quando</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div
                                                style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Inviato
                                                da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div>-------- Messaggio
                                              originale --------</div>
                                            <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                            <div>Data:13/02/2015 17:32
                                              (GMT+01:00) </div>
                                            <div>A: <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                rel="nofollow"
                                                ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Oggetto: Re:
                                              [RUGBYLIST] R: Re: R: Re:
                                              R: R: Re: R: I: R: I: R:
                                              I: I: I: SECONDO VOI </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            No :) <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div>Il 13/02/2015 17:31,
                                              ilfalco7 ha scritto:<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div>Dopo tre anni .</div>
                                              <div>Dopo ma un conto è
                                                risalare dalla b in a.</div>
                                              <div>Un conto vincere a
                                                livello internazionale. </div>
                                              <div>Per il mio lavoro si
                                                trattava di azzerare
                                                tutto proporre una nuova
                                                strategia rifondare un
                                                club, cercare gli uomini
                                                e i giocatori giusti.</div>
                                              <div>Difficile ma piu
                                                rapido.</div>
                                              <div>Con il settore
                                                giovanile che siamo
                                                partiti da zero i
                                                risultati sono
                                                cominciati ad arrivare l
                                                anno scorso dopo 7 anni
                                                e saranno completi,
                                                spero tra due quindo 9 o
                                                10.</div>
                                              <div>Questi sono i tempi
                                                per arrivare al vertice.</div>
                                              <div>Ti sono sembrato
                                                abbastanza onesto?!!!</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div
                                                  style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Inviato
                                                  da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                              </div>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>-------- Messaggio
                                                originale --------</div>
                                              <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                              <div>Data:13/02/2015 17:18
                                                (GMT+01:00) </div>
                                              <div>A: <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                  rel="nofollow"
                                                  ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Oggetto: Re:
                                                [RUGBYLIST] R: Re: R: R:
                                                Re: R: I: R: I: R: I: I:
                                                I: SECONDO VOI </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              Anni di lavoro ...
                                              L'importante è spostare
                                              sempre avanti l'asticella
                                              ... Così nessuno può mai
                                              fare una verifica seria
                                              dei risultati ... <br>
                                              Tu alle FF.OO. dopo quanti
                                              anni ha visto i risultati
                                              del tuo lavoro ?<br>
                                              Risposta onesta ..<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Ciao.<br>
                                              Luca <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>Il 13/02/2015 17:03,
                                                ilfalco7 ha scritto:<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Una rondine non fa
                                                  primavera. Speriamo
                                                  nei risultati x i
                                                  ragazzi che davvero si
                                                  impegnano.</div>
                                                <div>Ma x una verifica
                                                  del lavoro servono
                                                  anni di risultati. A
                                                  mio parere pero le
                                                  nazionali junior fanno
                                                  troppo poca attivita
                                                  internazionale. </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div
                                                    style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Inviato
                                                    da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div>-------- Messaggio
                                                  originale --------</div>
                                                <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                                <div>Data:13/02/2015
                                                  12:37 (GMT+01:00) </div>
                                                <div>A: <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                    rel="nofollow"
                                                    ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Oggetto: Re:
                                                  [RUGBYLIST] R: R: Re:
                                                  R: I: R: I: R: I: I:
                                                  I: SECONDO VOI </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                Dei 56 convocati per le
                                                nazionali under 17 e 18
                                                questa è la
                                                distribuzione
                                                "regionale":<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <table
                                                  style="border-collapse:collapse;width:144pt;"
                                                  border="0"
                                                  cellpadding="0"
                                                  cellspacing="0"
                                                  width="192">
                                                  <colgroup><col
                                                      style="width:107pt;"
                                                      width="142"> <col
style="width:37pt;" width="50"> </colgroup><tbody>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;width:107pt;"
                                                        height="20"
                                                        width="142">regione</td>
                                                      <td
                                                        style="width:37pt;"
                                                        width="50">tot</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Veneto</td>
                                                      <td>20</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Lombardia</td>
                                                      <td>10</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Lazio</td>
                                                      <td>7</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Abruzzo</td>
                                                      <td>4</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Campania</td>
                                                      <td>3</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Toscana</td>
                                                      <td>3</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Emilia-Romagna</td>
                                                      <td>2</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Francia</td>
                                                      <td>2</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Liguria</td>
                                                      <td>2</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Calabria</td>
                                                      <td>1</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Inghilterra</td>
                                                      <td>1</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">Sicilia</td>
                                                      <td>1</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                    <tr
                                                      style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                      height="20">
                                                      <td
                                                        style="height:15.0pt;"
                                                        height="20">totale</td>
                                                      <td>56</td>
                                                    </tr>
                                                  </tbody>
                                                </table>
                                                <br>
                                                Devo dire che la
                                                "geografia" del ns rugby
                                                non cambia poi molto
                                                negli anni. I club del
                                                veneto lavorano sempre
                                                bene, seguiti a
                                                rispettosa distanza da
                                                Lombardia e Lazio.<br>
                                                "Regge" l'Abruzzo ...
                                                Campania, Toscana,
                                                Emilia-Romagna e Liguria
                                                non riescono ad incidere
                                                significativamente ...<br>
                                                "Citazioni" per Calabria
                                                e Sicilia.<br>
                                                Compaiono Francia (!!!)
                                                e Inghilterra (!!!) ...<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Qual è la distribuzione
                                                delle Accademie sul
                                                territorio nazionale ???<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Ciao.<br>
                                                Luca <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div>Il 13/02/2015
                                                  12:09, Luca Oliva ha
                                                  scritto:<br>
                                                </div>
                                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                                  sulla medaglia d'oro
                                                  del basket potrei
                                                  avere dei dubbi.<br>
                                                  certo che avere una
                                                  "bella base" pone il
                                                  problema della
                                                  selezione e
                                                  dell'affinamento dei
                                                  talenti, ma non è il
                                                  nostro caso ... <span><span>
                                                      :-) </span></span><br>
                                                  noi abbiamo una base
                                                  molto stretta, da cui
                                                  pre-selezioniamo dei
                                                  prospetti e li
                                                  "spremiamo" al massimo
                                                  ...<br>
                                                  staremo a vedere se
                                                  sta cambiando qualcosa
                                                  ...<br>
                                                  di recente ho visto un
                                                  bel successo della
                                                  nazionale under 18
                                                  sulla francia ...
                                                  vediamo come andrà il
                                                  test del 21/2 contro i
                                                  pari età dell'irlanda
                                                  ...<br>
                                                  nel frattempo abbiamo
                                                  l'under 17 in tournèe
                                                  in francia contro
                                                  selezione accademie
                                                  nord-sud ...<br>
                                                  basta aspettare ...<br>
                                                  ripeto, sono questi i
                                                  risultati che contano,
                                                  un successo della
                                                  nazionale "non fa"
                                                  primavera ... <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  ciao.<br>
                                                  luca <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <div>Il 13/02/2015
                                                    11:32, <a
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                                                      href="mailto:antoniomangano1962@libero.it">antoniomangano1962@libero.it</a>
                                                    ha scritto:<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    type="cite"><br>
                                                    Concordo senza
                                                    Troncon e Dominguez
                                                    (del quale vorrei
                                                    sempre ricordare il
                                                    record di punteggio)
                                                    non saremmo qui a
                                                    discutere. Se solo
                                                    solo avessimo avuto
                                                    un altro calciatore
                                                    con una media al
                                                    piede diversa la
                                                    storia di questi 14
                                                    anni sarebbe stata
                                                    diversa totalmente!
                                                    ma i se e ma non
                                                    fanno la storia
                                                    ancor meno il rugby!
                                                    Quanto alla base che
                                                    fa il vertice è vero
                                                    ma è vero anche il
                                                    contrario altrimenti
                                                    in Italia dovremmo
                                                    vincere tutti i
                                                    mondiali di calcio e
                                                    la medaglia d'oro
                                                    del basket. Certo il
                                                    discorso è più sulla
                                                    qualità che sulla
                                                    quantità ma è un
                                                    parametro sul quale
                                                    riflettere.  Non
                                                    sono valori
                                                    interdipendenti. Di
                                                    quantità ne possiamo
                                                    fare quanta ne
                                                    vogliamo la qualità
                                                    richiede
                                                    affinamenti. Non
                                                    bisogna fare però di
                                                    un allenamento, come
                                                    dice il mio
                                                    presidente, un HCCP.
                                                    Le vittorie per
                                                    arrivare però hanno
                                                    bisogno di tanti
                                                    ingredienti
                                                    programmazione,
                                                    qualità, allenamenti
                                                    etc. Ma uno è
                                                    indispensabile:
                                                    entusiasmo. La
                                                    nostra nazionale
                                                    purtroppo la vedo
                                                    vittima di ansia
                                                    prestazionale. Una
                                                    nazionale un po'
                                                    "impotente". una
                                                    sorta di
                                                    Bell'Antonio di
                                                    Vitaliano Brancati.
                                                    Tutti a parlare di
                                                    quanto è bello il
                                                    rugby e la nazionale
                                                    ma alla prova del
                                                    letto verde: flop <br>
                                                    <blockquote>
                                                      ----Messaggio
                                                      originale----<br>
                                                      Da: <a
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href="mailto:ilfalco7@libero.it">ilfalco7@libero.it</a><br>
                                                      Data: 13/02/2015
                                                      9.13<br>
                                                      A: <a
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                                                        rel="nofollow"
                                                        ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it"
                                                        target="_blank"
href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">&lt;rugbylist@rugbylist.it&gt;</a><br>
                                                      Ogg: [RUGBYLIST]
                                                      R: Re: R: I: R: I:
                                                      R: I: I: I:
                                                      SECONDO VOI<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <div>Inoltre come
                                                        dice luca la
                                                        nostra qualita è
                                                        assai modesta.</div>
                                                      <div>La nostra
                                                        mediana è la
                                                        peggiore de l VI
                                                        naxioni.</div>
                                                      <div>Non solo se
                                                        mettiamo a
                                                        confronto le
                                                        seconde mediane
                                                        e forse le terze
                                                        di ogni nazione
                                                        probabilmente
                                                        sono migliori
                                                        della nostra.</div>
                                                      <div>Confrontando
                                                        ruolo per ruolo
                                                        forse uno max
                                                        due dei nostri
                                                        ragazzi è
                                                        migliore degli
                                                        altri. Capite
                                                        bene che
                                                        competere così è
                                                        impossibile.</div>
                                                      <div>E la
                                                        formazione aiuta
                                                        ma x l altissimo
                                                        livello si
                                                        tratta di saper
                                                        trovare e non
                                                        perdere i
                                                        talenti. Su
                                                        qyesto a parer
                                                        mio non sismo
                                                        ancora pronti.</div>
                                                      <div>La nazionale
                                                        degli anni 90
                                                        aveva almeno 7 o
                                                        8 giocatori che
                                                        potevano dirsi i
                                                        migliori e forse
                                                        la migliore
                                                        mediana al
                                                        mondo.</div>
                                                      <div>Questo ci ha
                                                        permesso di
                                                        emergere. </div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div
                                                          style="color:rgb(87,87,87);font-size:9px;">Inviato
                                                          da Samsung
                                                          Mobile.</div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <div>--------
                                                        Messaggio
                                                        originale
                                                        --------</div>
                                                      <div>Da: Luca
                                                        Oliva </div>
                                                      <div>Data:12/02/2015
                                                        17:27
                                                        (GMT+01:00) </div>
                                                      <div>A: <a
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ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank"
                                                          href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Oggetto: Re:
                                                        [RUGBYLIST] R:
                                                        I: R: I: R: I:
                                                        I: I: SECONDO
                                                        VOI </div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      Io credo che il
                                                      materiale umano
                                                      sia quello che
                                                      sia, ottimo per
                                                      alcuni, molto
                                                      buono per altri,
                                                      discreto in altri
                                                      casi ancora, e che
                                                      manchi profondità
                                                      nella alternative.<br>
                                                      Certo che, poi,
                                                      vai a confrontarti
                                                      contro nazionali
                                                      in cui il termine
                                                      "ottimo" o
                                                      "eccezionale" lo
                                                      puoi riferire a
                                                      tutti i 23 della
                                                      lista gara, e non
                                                      ti fermi nemmeno
                                                      qui.<br>
                                                      Il lavoro
                                                      senz'altro
                                                      servirebbe, fatto
                                                      salvo sempre che
                                                      stiamo parlando di
                                                      "vertice", e un
                                                      vertice non fa una
                                                      "base", semmai
                                                      dovrebbe essere il
                                                      viceversa ... :)<br>
                                                      La base di
                                                      praticanti
                                                      inglesi, ad
                                                      esempio, rende
                                                      ovviamente
                                                      improprio il
                                                      confronto fra il
                                                      nostro e il loro
                                                      movimento di
                                                      vertice ...<br>
                                                      Sulla distanza di
                                                      una partita, si
                                                      sa, 15 vs 15 (23
                                                      vs 23) qualcosa
                                                      può sempre
                                                      succedere ...<br>
                                                      La ns è una
                                                      formazione
                                                      esperta, ruvida,
                                                      combattiva,
                                                      dall'autonomia
                                                      limitata ... :)<br>
                                                      Speriamo di
                                                      reggere 60 minuti,
                                                      e poi, dati i
                                                      cambi, sia come
                                                      sia ... <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Ciao.<br>
                                                      Luca <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <div>Il 12/02/2015
                                                        15:13, Giovanni
                                                        Ciraolo ha
                                                        scritto:<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        type="cite">
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv3678568517MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;">Oltre ad un successo pieno
                                                          nel Top 14 del
                                                          2008/09 e ad
                                                          una finale
                                                          l’anno
                                                          successivo,
                                                          Brunel vinse
                                                          anche due
                                                          Challenge con
                                                          Colomiers e
                                                          Pau
                                                          (1998-2000)</span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv3678568517MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;">Non credo che molti
                                                          allenatori
                                                          abbiano questo
                                                          nel proprio
                                                          curriculum di
                                                          club! In più
                                                          c’è la
                                                          nazionale
                                                          francese con
                                                          Laporte nella
                                                          quale lo
                                                          stesso Brunel
                                                          non svolgeva
                                                          certo un ruolo
                                                          secondario.</span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv3678568517MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;">Io credo che il problema di
                                                          Brunel non sia
                                                          lo scarso
                                                          curriculum,
                                                          una accusa
                                                          totalmente
                                                          errata a mio
                                                          avviso, ma i
                                                          lacci e
                                                          lacciuoli che
                                                          (con il suo
                                                          consenso)
                                                          pongono limiti
                                                          profondi alla
                                                          sua azione.
                                                          Limiti
                                                          profondi che
                                                          assomigliano
                                                          alla la
                                                          profondità di
                                                          gioco mancante
                                                          nella nostra
                                                          nazionale.</span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv3678568517MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;">g.ciraolo   </span></div>
                                                          <div
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style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;"> </span></div>
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                                                          class="yiv3678568517MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10pt;">Da:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;"> <a
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                                                          <b>Per conto
                                                          di </b>Salvatore
                                                          Messina<br>
                                                          <b>Inviato:</b>
                                                          giovedì 12
                                                          febbraio 2015
                                                          13:37<br>
                                                          <b>A:</b> <a
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                                                          <b>Oggetto:</b>
                                                          [RUGBYLIST] I:
                                                          R: I: R: I: I:
                                                          I: SECONDO VOI</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="yiv3678568517MsoNormal"> </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
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style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;font-size:10.5pt;">Appunto...
                                                          ed aver
                                                          battuto noi
                                                          come assistant
                                                          coach non fa
                                                          curriculum.... <span
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                                                          con lui ha
                                                          anche
                                                          cominciato la
                                                          caduta.</span></div>
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                                                          la mia domanda
                                                          è: in cosa è
                                                          migliorata la
                                                          nazionale con
                                                          lui? Non è che
                                                          poi l'arrivo
                                                          di Cavinato
                                                          dopo Brunel mi
                                                          entusiasmi
                                                          molto...</span></div>
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                                                          Messina</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">----- Messaggio
                                                          inoltrato
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                                                          ilfalco7 <a
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                                                          <b>A:</b> <a
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target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">"rugbylist@rugbylist.it"</a>
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                                                          <b>Inviato:</b>
                                                          Giovedì 12
                                                          Febbraio 2015
                                                          12:37<br>
                                                          <b>Oggetto:</b>
                                                          [RUGBYLIST] R:
                                                          I: R: I: I: I:
                                                          SECONDO VOI</span><span
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style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Beh se leggi nel
                                                          suo curriculum
                                                          x anni è stato
                                                          neglu staff
                                                          tecnici della
                                                          naz A e
                                                          maggiore me lo
                                                          ricordo ancora
                                                          la sonata che
                                                          ci hanno dato
                                                          a grenoble
                                                          intorno al
                                                          2004 ul
                                                          perpignab
                                                          quando c era
                                                          lui era
                                                          fortissimo che
                                                          c entra adesso
                                                          mica allena
                                                          li.</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Si puo dire tutto
                                                          anche che non
                                                          ti piace tua
                                                          legittima
                                                          idea. Ma che
                                                          non abbi
                                                          curriculum è
                                                          una cosa che </span></div>
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